Clueless Gamblers Part 1 - Probability vs Certainty

[BCGame_POP]

@Magnus520 do one thing, also find out what are the odds of having a streak of 20,30, 40 reds in row on 1.98x, then run dice for a million rolls. Your answer whether a casino is fair or not will be answered in itself.

[p1AYER1]

On 3/15/2022 at 4:12 AM, BCGame_POP said:

One of the articles of this series will be, How Clueless Gamblers can beat the House and walk away with profit. Good luck to you LOL.

good job, you wrote it well

[Magnus520]

 I feel better now. Got all that out in the open. 

[Tandemdevill]

Clueless gamblers or indentured addicts caught in a freefalling spiral towards desperation and hopelessness to recover a withdrawable win in an ocean of losses. This place is a sham and it isn't about probabilities or certainties its about stringing people along so they will empty their wallets to a system of games that foster an entire socioeconomic depression. It was one thing to deposit money and get it back slowly with the wagers but I will be damned if I'm going to deposit money so I can spend $4000 dollars to eventually unluck the reward for depositing and get $10 dollars in return. That is a joke and that is right there the very reason why I  am done giving anymore of my hard earned money to this place when every day I am instantly confronted with the blatant mockery of what this place considers luck, or chance, or win or value with your daily luckyspin. Cant tell me that it just happens to fall on the same prize each and every day is a coincidence. When has anyone won a bitcoin from luckyspin or now iwith the update 3 bitcoins?  Got tired of giving out 10000 JB everyday why not give out .02 cents of locked bcd to what exactly? You think getting a penny that will take 4,000 dollars to get out is enticing? It's not. And its offensive. Dont worry ill still be here everyday getting my 24 cent hourly recharge after wagering 18,000 last week until that too becomes evidently useless as well against the calculated probability that too will only spawn a complete loss. I get it though its all about self control, financial discipline and handling your shit responsibly. So i'll bring all that to my table. When will you though? I agree with everything dude said above. Might add one more thing though. See in this reality the universe (wonderful place, you should visit is abound with ever abundant love and in that love is karma. I know my universe loves me because i love it right back.

 

 

You'll get your greed's karma back threefold. You'll get your karma back threefold, You'll get your karma back threefold. From the minute penny shavings to the paradise paper sized tax evasions. Hekate gonna love the shit out you and bless you with the Erinyes to enter every faction of your lives. Read it so you live it. From words to truth. See your chances with karma. Know the most probable hell. Win every financial ruin. Destitution your only prize. 

[BCGame_POP]

2 hours ago, Magnus520 said:

 I feel better now. Got all that out in the open. 

I had to remove your previous response as it was not formatted for readability, you can make another comment which is more readable and relevant.

[MASI8800]

On 3/15/2022 at 7:39 PM, Coco_Father said:

Ahhh, my good sir. You have forgotten about Voltaire.... In the mid 1700's he used his skills in mathematics along with his persuasive charm and ingenuity to beat the municipal bonds lotteries throughout Paris. Being the socialite that he was, he was able to deduce that the prizes in every district throughout Paris were in most cases more than the amount of all the tickets being sold. So he recruited a team that was his very own Renaissance version of Ocean's Eleven and went to work scamming  outsmarting the officials of the city of Paris. This strategy made him a very rich man that allowed him to live his days with his thoughts rather than hard labor; providing him with the opportunity to become one of the most quoted rebellious philosophers in history.

 

Great thread. You are very wise and mostly correct. 

 

[Magnus520]

Here is another man who knows and stands up for what is right. Thank you Tendendevill for being brave and honest and speaking the truth. You know how I know he is speaking the truth? Because we live it. Guess what Pop…. You can delete the truth and spread disinformation for the purpose of costing others and filming your pockets but guess what. I am the truth. I am karma. I have the ability to draw upon forces you never seen before in your life. I am like a magnet. Kind of like that cartoon show Dragonball Z where they get sick of all the people being hurt, killed, manipulated. Then they get roughed up quite a bit and they fall right. They feel like giving up. That’s when they realize if they fall…. Who else is going to be there and is there anyone else who can be there to stop all this injustice. People are falling victim to unspeakable ends. That’s when I get up and I pull in all the energies I can and I stand up and I do so because you all are so cocky. You people think you can get away with everything. You kind of scoff at the idea that I could ever defeat you. You almost entertain the idea and further add assault to injury by even rubbing it in my face more lies just to kinda flex your muscles a bit prove you are unstoppable. Then all the sudden you start to notice something. You sense some kind of change and you see I’m gathering energy at an incredible rate. For some reason it seems to be coming from everywhere. Why am I not just giving up? This is impossible. You thought after all this time goes by how could… then that’s when I give it all I got and show you what I have been slowly gathering and hiding from you. With hopes that you would have made better decisions. Now I am exploding with energy and you and I have to have that final showdown. I kamehameha….. guess who wins…. I’m betting it’s the person who stands up for what is right and just. The person who values human beings over greed….

Edited March 25, 2022 by Magnus520
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[BCGame_POP]

@Magnus520friend you definitely have the right to fight for what you deserve. However, I must say that what you are looking for is pretty pointless. I can only wish you very good luck.

[DFdubG]

very interesting topic and being a music artist we are known to voice our thoughts, views, struggles, experience ect. @Coco_Fatherknows me and we have had multiple conversations on wide rang of things.  @BCGame_POPknows me because she my VIP host  we had words because I was taking my losses out on them knowing damn well Ignored the algorithm showing me that its no bueno. move on but as a human our thought process is mixture of things you experience, learned ect so every individual is in no way identical to the next person. So depending on mind set of person our thought's tell us its coming so they continue playing hoping or for others its run so they run and move to another. It is a mind thought process that either makes it or breaks it. Games yes can be set for variables that tip favor to house but no need to and risk possible legal action's or problems with federal law agency's for this particular scope of regulations that are enforced. I come from a family of carnies and grew up on the carnival when I was young while my parents and uncles aunts were running games for my grandparents and being around the gamble aspect was always around me so my gambling family whhen I turned 21 my birthday gift was a trip to Las Vegas that my grandparents got me so off to vegas i went 17 years ago with everyone and so much fun and I only knew blackjack at this time so I went on Adventure and then learned craps with my uncle n grandpa lol walla loved it n learned it and still 1 of my fav games to play live. I then had to leave after a week and head back home to Texas. So few years go by and im lil older now and I learned Tx Holdem and plat a tournament and won so I did more and kept winning 3 of 5 tournaments so I started traveling to these casino's like Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls Canada, Charlestown WV casino, Alantic City and was working there for months being paid per diem and free hotel by my company, Delaware, Illinois south of Chicago, Oklahoma, Las Vegas and played tournaments and official WSOP with. finish 471 of 5000. The physical gambling and the virtual gambling are 2 different styles and should not be treated as similar. Physical scenarios, odds, Combinations ect. are prone tobe less frequent because the time consuming it takes for the game play physically compared to online were you might see the odd, combination. ect more bc the game play is faster pace. (50 games at casino 30min-1hour / 50 games online 5mins) the ratio  500+ games to the 50 physical games played. So odds not normally seen are seen more which trigger a warning. We tend to push push ignoring the risk for gain or thrill of winning and never withdraw and forget that at anytime the good wins can stop out of thin air or come few at a time or trend of 4 consecutive wins/losses. Im a Computer Network Engineer with Associates in Computer Science and worked for Salesforce.com which is a software company and we all know the multinational technology company that specializes in Internet-related services and products, which include a search engine, online advertising technologies, cloud computing, software, hardware so understanding the the online virtual side of the system, software, hardware ect plays a thought in my thinking process and how any little issue can cause problem for a network or connectivity of end users on that network Topology. 1 optic cable unplugged from a Fabric switch, Leaf switch, Core Network ect can cause loss off data or money that is being sent or received on tnat cluster of devices that are configured to route traffic of data in a set geographical area ect. Travel from A to B in a network can pass through multiple 1000s even millions connections, devices, buildings ect before it reaches it spot but at light speed.  So knowing that at anytime or any given sec that there are possibilities of unseen issues . I can say its Bc.game fault and blame them or take countability and learn to avoid it and when it said n done if you wd which is hard bc that is my biggest flaw of gambling bc I do good and do good but I ignore the red flags and dont WD n push push then left 0 and its the worst feeling i know all to well and whatever can be affecting or going on in the mind set of individual causes backlash to who they see as the reason why they lose when it can be many many many reason why..  ok im bored if I wrote this much in detail because Bc.game took all my coins and been at 0 since 2019. Now if I Would have WD then this wouldn't even be talked about and I would have money instead nothing. . 

[Magnus520]

On 3/24/2022 at 7:43 PM, BCGame_POP said:

@Magnus520friend you definitely have the right to fight for what you deserve. However, I must say that what you are looking for is pretty pointless. I can only wish you very good luck.

Oops.. I wrote this half asleep. I will revise and follow through with a few half made points tomorrow. I'm spent. Good night everyone. May your luck not be as bad as the worst, because it won't ever get any better. 

 

Pointless POP? If it was pointless you wouldn't have deleted my long article. Where is it? I would like a copy of it sent to my email address please. I got most of it but I did some revisions and I didn't realize I was speaking so much truth that you were going to take it off the forum. Denying my right to fight for what I deserve. You don't wish anyone good luck because you are an admin at this casino and look at how much losing all of us do. I just don't get you people. Your whole persona is a giant scam. That article I worked very hard on and I wasted a ton of my time writing it. If you are going to spread disinformation then why can we not dispute it? I want to at least be able to save a copy of it because I worked really hard on that. Also I told the truth POP. Something you have never done since you started working here. Pointless.... Obviously I was dead on because I didn't swear. I didn't lie. I made a few metaphors. So why did you delete it if it was PG rated? We are not allowed yo voice our opinions here then why do you offer the forum? is this a fraudulent lie as well? Another one? Like you don't have enough already. I am asking you nicely to please allow me to save my work at least because that came from the heart. Straight from my heart. The only reason why you took offense was because I materialized the logic and deep rooted issues with the conflict between what you have outside and what you have inside. The only reason why it sustains itself within you Pop is because you are motivated with dark money. It is stained... Every single bit or piece is unsettled. It's cursed. Look at the work you do. Is that who you really are? When you know inside that your outside is contributing to a much larger problem that is even involved in this war we are all witnessing? How much reinforcement do you have on that shell of yours  before it cracks and you are exposed to the same vulnerability and emotions that you assisted the spread of. You know what I just realized? Your games are a lot like the balance of life. Except one is fair and the other isn't. One is random and the other one isn't. Life has it's ups and downs but somehow things always correct itself. Your software reminds me of that. You set a payout percentage that is in your favor. Then your games are programmed to make sure it stays on target and doesn't really have much room to go one way or another. The worse game you have is the one you slapped your name on and called it an Original. That game is the most tightly controlled, dead end, one sided instrument of greed feeding I ever seen. I even made videos of it. Go figure right? The people who ensured that they make a killing off of it regardless of our luck, because luck doesn't exist when you not only have a house edge, but you take away the random aspect. You can lie to me all you want but your games follow a predetermined hand-picked selection of seed combinations. I have a way people can prove this. Raise your bets. Especially after you win. People never forget they  give away their secrets. There are no secrets here. There is no question of what has already been set in stone. Raise your bets and keep records of your win/loss ratio people. It's that simple. You will all relate to the fact that your games will change on the bet changes. This is in itself is game over for your lies where you stated each spin is independent and random. Doesn't follow a set pattern? People pay attention to when you win. Especially bigger wins and tell me the slot doesn't always choke 95 percent of the time afterward. Tell me it doesn't repeat this so often it is a pattern. Because that's exactly what a pattern is. You will always notice people, that the games are always so tightly controlled and rigged that they are constantly compensating for the appearance of randomness. That's all a casino has to do to do pretty much whatever they want underneath it all. As long as you believe it is random, then everything they do that YOU DON'T see is obviously ok. Each and every game  is not on a pre-determined and set algorithm. If you create a situation that diverts the algorithm of hitting it's target, it will immediately compensate. I think that there are so many algorithms and random approaches to reach every pin point payout percentage, that the server actually has a hard time producing a set algorithm right away. This to me would explain why you can never start a game off with a win. It has to know what you are betting first before it can draw a random path to the desired outcome. This explains why after every bet change, you will notice a guaranteed couple spin losing streak that happens. It is redirecting and spawning a random seed maybe, but then after that seed is spawned, the software does complex mathematical problems to produce a seemingly random path to the exact same desired outcome. Only once in a while you will see the flood gates open. That is probably about 3-5 percent likely in reality. Even that percentage is probably manipulated. It's all manipulated. Crash is all manipulated. The software is controlling the cash it hands out. It isn't just a house edge. There is a very high tech computer running all these formulas to produce the desired results. So best believe if all of you are betting high all at once the game is going to force a crash. 100% unless it has room to allow the lost of the cost. This is rigged because of the fact that the software is determining the outcome or the height it can go and it is changing it like a 20 or 30 times a second. It is based on how many people bail out. If you all just by some random event think the same thing and the game just had a decent payout jut prior. If a lot of you don't jump off quickly it will crash quicker. The whole point behind me telling you this, is that don't think for a second that the game is fair at all. It is made to 100 percent make you lose unless you can get lucky and take advantage of other peoples mistakes. You might have to think outside the box to win here. Do not think logically and you might win decent maybe. Do not stick around after that though. Especially on the same game. Get out while you can because veteran players will tell you that the game is going to compensate that win right away. The casino leaves little chance for loss. It in reality only leaves like a 0.2 percent chance of room to sway from the RTP.  I tested another game. Dice. I played a ton of games at the highest number of chance to win on my behalf,  at lower bets and only a few higher bets. I set a turbo click button on my mouse and let it go to town. After I had a ton of lower bets made I did the same thing with a higher bet. Make it a decent amount higher then the other bet so you can see the clear difference. The less of an amount between the 2 bet sizes the less of a change you will witness. Then count all the losses you sustained with the higher bets and use that as a measuring amount. Add up all the losses with your higher bets and see how many spins it took to get that many losses. Then use the amount of losses you had for all those higher bets and see how many spins it took to get that many losses on lower bets. Do this a few times. So after you get how many spins it too with all your high bet losses combined and see how many spins on your lower bets that it took to get the same amount of losses, take down the spin that left off on and keep taking measurements and you will see the number will be consistently larger on the lower bets to get the same amount of losses on the higher bets. It is the game demonstrating that the biggest lie casinos tell is that bet sizes do not have any effect on the outcomes of your games. this is about 95-97 percent likely the outcome. There is a small window of a chance the game will pick you for a limited gain session but it will try to sink you at any moment. Do not be surprised and expect the game to send you down a longer streak of losses to compensate for larger wins. So if you won big big big.... I would run becauise you are guaranteed to lose which is against all the lies the casino tells us. It is proof the are defrauding us. You're welcome. Oh and if that is proof of a lie, just imagine what else is a lie. I will tell you pretty much the same percentage of chance the house will actually win... 98 percent. 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Magnus520

[Magnus520]

Also, if I am wrong and you have nothing to hide you won't delete these posts. You will keep them as evidence when you prove me foolish or ignorant. You show the truth by deleting the posts. Prove me wrong. 

 

Also thank you people who liked my posts and support me. We need to stop the spread of corruption in online gambling. Refuse to be manipulated and stand up for what you believe in. Don't let them silence us. If we work together we can change things for the better. Gambling in itself is not an evil natured test of luck. It can be an enjoyable experience  that isn't so destructive. It is the greed behind it that makes it this way.  Don't get me wrong I am all for the casino making profit. I understand that it takes money to run it. It is when it is taken overboard and people are lied to that this becomes a situation that makes it destructive and dangerous for people. In reality there is no excuse to take away the possibility of any luck or chance of risk 100 percent on the casinos part. When the casino isn't risking anything its not a gamble anymore. It's a scam. Unless you are up front and honest about it. Then it's just providing people a way to pass the time by expecting loss. 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Magnus520

[TheTiminator]

On 3/26/2022 at 3:58 AM, Magnus520 said:

Oops.. I wrote this half asleep. I will revise and follow through with a few half made points tomorrow. I'm spent. Good night everyone. May your luck not be as bad as the worst, because it won't ever get any better. 

 

Pointless POP? If it was pointless you wouldn't have deleted my long article. Where is it? I would like a copy of it sent to my email address please. I got most of it but I did some revisions and I didn't realize I was speaking so much truth that you were going to take it off the forum. Denying my right to fight for what I deserve. You don't wish anyone good luck because you are an admin at this casino and look at how much losing all of us do. I just don't get you people. Your whole persona is a giant scam. That article I worked very hard on and I wasted a ton of my time writing it. If you are going to spread disinformation then why can we not dispute it? I want to at least be able to save a copy of it because I worked really hard on that. Also I told the truth POP. Something you have never done since you started working here. Pointless.... Obviously I was dead on because I didn't swear. I didn't lie. I made a few metaphors. So why did you delete it if it was PG rated? We are not allowed yo voice our opinions here then why do you offer the forum? is this a fraudulent lie as well? Another one? Like you don't have enough already. I am asking you nicely to please allow me to save my work at least because that came from the heart. Straight from my heart. The only reason why you took offense was because I materialized the logic and deep rooted issues with the conflict between what you have outside and what you have inside. The only reason why it sustains itself within you Pop is because you are motivated with dark money. It is stained... Every single bit or piece is unsettled. It's cursed. Look at the work you do. Is that who you really are? When you know inside that your outside is contributing to a much larger problem that is even involved in this war we are all witnessing? How much reinforcement do you have on that shell of yours  before it cracks and you are exposed to the same vulnerability and emotions that you assisted the spread of. You know what I just realized? Your games are a lot like the balance of life. Except one is fair and the other isn't. One is random and the other one isn't. Life has it's ups and downs but somehow things always correct itself. Your software reminds me of that. You set a payout percentage that is in your favor. Then your games are programmed to make sure it stays on target and doesn't really have much room to go one way or another. The worse game you have is the one you slapped your name on and called it an Original. That game is the most tightly controlled, dead end, one sided instrument of greed feeding I ever seen. I even made videos of it. Go figure right? The people who ensured that they make a killing off of it regardless of our luck, because luck doesn't exist when you not only have a house edge, but you take away the random aspect. You can lie to me all you want but your games follow a predetermined hand-picked selection of seed combinations. I have a way people can prove this. Raise your bets. Especially after you win. People never forget they  give away their secrets. There are no secrets here. There is no question of what has already been set in stone. Raise your bets and keep records of your win/loss ratio people. It's that simple. You will all relate to the fact that your games will change on the bet changes. This is in itself is game over for your lies where you stated each spin is independent and random. Doesn't follow a set pattern? People pay attention to when you win. Especially bigger wins and tell me the slot doesn't always choke 95 percent of the time afterward. Tell me it doesn't repeat this so often it is a pattern. Because that's exactly what a pattern is. You will always notice people, that the games are always so tightly controlled and rigged that they are constantly compensating for the appearance of randomness. That's all a casino has to do to do pretty much whatever they want underneath it all. As long as you believe it is random, then everything they do that YOU DON'T see is obviously ok. Each and every game  is not on a pre-determined and set algorithm. If you create a situation that diverts the algorithm of hitting it's target, it will immediately compensate. I think that there are so many algorithms and random approaches to reach every pin point payout percentage, that the server actually has a hard time producing a set algorithm right away. This to me would explain why you can never start a game off with a win. It has to know what you are betting first before it can draw a random path to the desired outcome. This explains why after every bet change, you will notice a guaranteed couple spin losing streak that happens. It is redirecting and spawning a random seed maybe, but then after that seed is spawned, the software does complex mathematical problems to produce a seemingly random path to the exact same desired outcome. Only once in a while you will see the flood gates open. That is probably about 3-5 percent likely in reality. Even that percentage is probably manipulated. It's all manipulated. Crash is all manipulated. The software is controlling the cash it hands out. It isn't just a house edge. There is a very high tech computer running all these formulas to produce the desired results. So best believe if all of you are betting high all at once the game is going to force a crash. 100% unless it has room to allow the lost of the cost. This is rigged because of the fact that the software is determining the outcome or the height it can go and it is changing it like a 20 or 30 times a second. It is based on how many people bail out. If you all just by some random event think the same thing and the game just had a decent payout jut prior. If a lot of you don't jump off quickly it will crash quicker. The whole point behind me telling you this, is that don't think for a second that the game is fair at all. It is made to 100 percent make you lose unless you can get lucky and take advantage of other peoples mistakes. You might have to think outside the box to win here. Do not think logically and you might win decent maybe. Do not stick around after that though. Especially on the same game. Get out while you can because veteran players will tell you that the game is going to compensate that win right away. The casino leaves little chance for loss. It in reality only leaves like a 0.2 percent chance of room to sway from the RTP.  I tested another game. Dice. I played a ton of games at the highest number of chance to win on my behalf,  at lower bets and only a few higher bets. I set a turbo click button on my mouse and let it go to town. After I had a ton of lower bets made I did the same thing with a higher bet. Make it a decent amount higher then the other bet so you can see the clear difference. The less of an amount between the 2 bet sizes the less of a change you will witness. Then count all the losses you sustained with the higher bets and use that as a measuring amount. Add up all the losses with your higher bets and see how many spins it took to get that many losses. Then use the amount of losses you had for all those higher bets and see how many spins it took to get that many losses on lower bets. Do this a few times. So after you get how many spins it too with all your high bet losses combined and see how many spins on your lower bets that it took to get the same amount of losses, take down the spin that left off on and keep taking measurements and you will see the number will be consistently larger on the lower bets to get the same amount of losses on the higher bets. It is the game demonstrating that the biggest lie casinos tell is that bet sizes do not have any effect on the outcomes of your games. this is about 95-97 percent likely the outcome. There is a small window of a chance the game will pick you for a limited gain session but it will try to sink you at any moment. Do not be surprised and expect the game to send you down a longer streak of losses to compensate for larger wins. So if you won big big big.... I would run becauise you are guaranteed to lose which is against all the lies the casino tells us. It is proof the are defrauding us. You're welcome. Oh and if that is proof of a lie, just imagine what else is a lie. I will tell you pretty much the same percentage of chance the house will actually win... 98 percent. 

This all makes perfect sense and accurately reflects my experiences with this site, as well. I have constantly complained about the patterns that are so blatantly obvious. I often thought they had a bot that will manipulate the results accordingly but I would never be able to prove that other than by showing how unbelievable the results are sometimes on my transaction records. The site has way too many coincidences in its favor for anyone to believe its completely random.  The fact that you cant check some of the games until after you close the seed also makes the provably fair aspect null/void because then its nothing but a detailed transaction record.  It also makes sense why the third party games are more consistent, even though players cannot verify results or change the seed--it's because the only thing they can manipulate on those is the RTP which is then advertised.

I am not accusing the site of rigging games or cheating or even having a bot. I am simply saying that it would make sense if any of these things were true because the outcomes certainly do not feel random...and too many players are having the same experiences which means something is definitely not random....

[BCGame_POP]

@Magnus520you have to make your point readable. Your presentation is not well formatted for readability. Anyways, am leaving your comment as it is, good luck.

6 hours ago, TheTiminator said:

This all makes perfect sense and accurately reflects my experiences with this site, as well. I have constantly complained about the patterns that are so blatantly obvious. I often thought they had a bot that will manipulate the results accordingly but I would never be able to prove that other than by showing how unbelievable the results are sometimes on my transaction records. The site has way too many coincidences in its favor for anyone to believe its completely random.  The fact that you cant check some of the games until after you close the seed also makes the provably fair aspect null/void because then its nothing but a detailed transaction record.  It also makes sense why the third party games are more consistent, even though players cannot verify results or change the seed--it's because the only thing they can manipulate on those is the RTP which is then advertised.

I am not accusing the site of rigging games or cheating or even having a bot. I am simply saying that it would make sense if any of these things were true because the outcomes certainly do not feel random...and too many players are having the same experiences which means something is definitely not random....

The casinos do not rigg or try to manipulate the RNG because it will actually have negative results than positive. If the casino try to manipulate outcome as per the gameplay, few players will identify that and use it for their advantage.

So, relying on provable fairness is beneficial for both the Casino and Player as well. The randomness in results and the patterns shocks not only you but also us.

One of our player went from 150$ deposit to 400k$, just by doing flat bets on limbo 20x, he landed on a miracle seed, and the seed was consistently giving him profit on this multiplier. We have never seen such a thing before. However, after a huge run his luck ran out. He realised this thing and withdrawn 300k $ profit and never deposited back. One of the most lucky and smartest player I ever came across.

[N4N]

This is probably one of the most well written and entertaining articles, as well as comments, I've read in a long time. From my perspective (I am nobody) both sides have very realistic and logical points. Gotta remember tho, the decision to deposit and gamble $ is free choice. Let's say someone was to come to your home to hang out, and asked to play COD with you. Then wanted to bet you a few rounds, and got themselves completely smashed.. How logical would it be for them to run off and publicly accuse you of stealing their money?     Life isn't supposed to be easy, and this is a CASINO not a money faucet... When I gamble slots here in Vegas, not all too often do I get to walk away with anything more than a gut full of liquor. It's just the way this is...  Though, in my opinion and from personal experience, it's the way some customer support members answer questions that could toss some people head first down a spiraling rabbit hole. Ultimately YOU have to be financially logical and reasonable. Always remember gambling is a RISK. Don't be the jass to waste every dime they have expecting a magical come up. Play for fun and set low standards for yourself so when you do actually win something, it feels good.. If nothing seems to work right and you find yourself on a losing streak, maybe give up gambling for a while and invest in You... 

 

I'm excited to read the next chapters of this series@BCGame_POP!!!!

Edited April 7, 2022 by N4N

[TheTiminator]

Just because patterns sometimes occur and situations may sometimes raise eyebrows doesn’t mean the site is cheating in any way. So many factors are in play when it comes down to gambling online. I think this will be a good series to help people understand why some of these things happen but at the end of the day, the site is a business—it wouldn’t be around for long if it were scamming people and they’re not going to risk their brand that they are building by scamming small fractions of crypto from people.  

[BCGame_POP]

6 hours ago, TheTiminator said:

Just because patterns sometimes occur and situations may sometimes raise eyebrows doesn’t mean the site is cheating in any way. So many factors are in play when it comes down to gambling online. I think this will be a good series to help people understand why some of these things happen but at the end of the day, the site is a business—it wouldn’t be around for long if it were scamming people and they’re not going to risk their brand that they are building by scamming small fractions of crypto from people.  

Well said, appreciate your thoughts on this topic.

[gratefulhead]

On 3/14/2022 at 8:43 PM, BCGame_POP said:

RTP stands for Return To Player. Usually, slots have an RTP of around 96%, which means you get back 96$ for every 100$ you spend in a very long term. Casino charges a 4% fee as a part of house edge and entertainment provided.

So depending on the game you chose, the volatility or the frequency at which the game pays differs. 

@BCGame_POPdoes BC have its own algorithm that dictates or otherwise influences the parameters of the 3rd party/provider slots? (aside from the RTP % you mentioned which was a one time and publicly visible change... rather than an ongoing variable). or does their software determine the distribution of payouts? or both?

and is the RTP just a blanket percentage that applies to all users across all sessions where 96% of all the money going in, in this example, is returned at random (in accordance with variance and volatility) over an indefinite/essentially infinite amount of time?

I guess the real question is whether there is any minimum RTP parameter set for individual users? 

it does seem like it's really more just the luck of the draw when it comes to your actual session/seed... so you essentially get dealt a winning session/seed or you end up paying your dues/taking the losses to balance the bankroll/RTP/etc back out.

which makes sense... that's essentially the whole business model, the losses pay for the wins. of course gambling isn't overall a fair sport... and people definitely mistake "provably fair" for "fair by design."

but is there an algorithm that determines how sessions/seeds are distributed to players? possibly segmented into groups populated by factors of recent activity/deposits/withdrawals/time since last win/etc? or is that completely random?

I noticed the KA Gaming slots display your username on the game page... I don't know why that bothers me, since I'm already logged into my account... but it's clearly an afterthought to the frontend aesthetic. but maybe that's more about protecting themselves in the event of a dispute where a screenshot is involved. I guess it just makes me feel like they are metering my wins based on previous wins and as a 3rd party, may not be subject to the same provably fair standards.

I know we can change our own seeds on BC original games.... but we can only modify one half of a key pair (server vs. client) and unless we choose custom seeds, we could still be served new seeds that we're less likely to win on based on our individual playing habits. when changing seeds, is the server seed or are the auto-populated client seeds completely random? or does our site activity/gaming behavior in any way affect those?

I fully understand that I'm going to lose... and likely more often than I win. but I guess my overall concern in "fairness" comes from the fact that we aren't going into a brick and mortar casino and playing slots without loyalty cards... we're logging into the same account regularly and playing the same games, often with somewhat predictable strategies or patterns of behavior. and in the golden age of machine learning and analytics, it would be harder "not to* collect this information from us... analytical user data is an essential component of a web-based business when it comes to conversion rate optimization/marketing/customer retention/etc. so while it's expected that our data is collected, it's hard not to feel like it's sometimes used unfairly against us at times.

for example, I like to play 5 numbers on keno on low risk... which is a 300x payout. 

once I had been playing the same numbers for an extended period of time and the page reloaded or something (and I must have just selected my numbers again and forgotten to change my risk and bet before resuming play) at which point it immediately hit all 5 numbers... on classic risk... on minimum bet... which was a user error for sure... but I had been betting $1 on low risk...  instead of a 300x payout (which wouldn't really have mattered too much at that point considering the minimum bet), I got a 36x payout... instead of winning $300, I won a fraction of a cent.

and while it easily could have been the worst timing ever, it really feels like it was by design. I'm not saying the page was programmed to reload so that I may forget to adjust my parameters... but it definitely seems like it was programmed to push that win once a significant reduction in bet (and/or anticipated payout) was detected.

it's very common to win after reducing your bet... but that's also partially because most people don't have an infinite balance and it simply becomes necessary to do so after a streak of losses. and I have definitely also hit big payouts shortly after increasing my bet. so maybe that's just where the luck of it all factors in.

...but is the house edge programmed to distribute the higher payouts or wins in general when the wager is reduced/bet parameters are otherwise changed in order to technically maintain variance but preserve profit?

it's clear our site activity is used to influence non-gaming factors... like the correlation between rain and chat activity. or deposits/wagering and daily spin. or even decreased site activity and daily spin....and that's fine, those are basic customer retention strategies... so it's hard not to be skeptical of how that same data could used when it comes to the actual gambling...

the temptation for a business has to be strong when it comes to having that data and not abusing it...

for the record, I'm just asking questions for the sake of having this information... I've won more on BC than elsewhere, including brick and mortar casinos or state lottery... as far as gambling goes, I feel most likely to win here... and I win pretty frequently... it's my own fault I have no self-control and lose it before withdrawal.  

I'm not out here screaming "skem," I just question everything.

Edited May 2, 2022 by gratefulhead

[BCGame_POP]

@gratefulhead I appreciate your efforts in taking time and listing down your doubts. I also appreciate your honest feedback about our casino.
 

I will give you a simple example of how RTP or House Edge works in general.

• Say a game has 10 outcomes. Out of these 100 outcomes, out of which 96 outcomes combined will give back your 96% of the money, whereas the rest 4 outcomes will have no result or say "0".
• So, if you do a few rolls, you might never hit those 4 outcomes where the result is "0". However, if you keep rolling indefinitely it will eventually even out.

Slot providers make insane profits, they don't need to manipulate anything. They already make a lot of money with the current mathematical model. Yes, there will be big wins on slots now and then, but compared to overall how much users lose, the wins are nothing.

Next question - client/server seed:

The way Provable Fairness works is - even if you change one digit or character of the variables involved, the whole outcome changes. So, having a fixed server seed, nounce and allowing to change only client seed is implemented for ease. One is generated randomly and the other is users choice to make the result truly random.

KA Gaming doubt: The way RNG works is, it doesn't matter if you are continuing the current session or having an entirely new session, the future outcome is not influenced by the past events. That means, if you just had a 1000x, that doesn't mean you won't have one more 1000x on a game. So, they keeping track of your username or session is not going make any kind of difference.

House Edge has nothing to do based on your activity, wager, deposits or withdrawals.

• Some of our players just keep depositing and lose constantly.
• Some of our players, turn a 150$ deposit into 400k$. Even though its rare, it does happen from time to time.

It's all based on luck + a little understanding of what you are doing. 

The KENO effect you mentioned above is just a psychological phenomenon and has nothing to do with refresh or anything. It probably works once or twice after that it won't, the reason behind that is simple, it was pure co-incidence.

One the end note what I would like to say is : If all the players on the casino, plays the games perfectly with accuracy and larger bankroll, still the casino makes money. But, in reality lot of players got limited bankroll and don't understand the dynamics of the game. So, the casino makes multiple folds of the house edge without any extra efforts. So, the point of manipulating or cheating is completely ruled out and unnecessary.

Feel free to ask more questions, I will answer them all.
 

[Diggiedooker03]

On 3/15/2022 at 12:09 PM, Coco_Father said:

Ahhh, my good sir. You have forgotten about Voltaire.... In the mid 1700's he used his skills in mathematics along with his persuasive charm and ingenuity to beat the municipal bonds lotteries throughout Paris. Being the socialite that he was, he was able to deduce that the prizes in every district throughout Paris were in most cases more than the amount of all the tickets being sold. So he recruited a team that was his very own Renaissance version of Ocean's Eleven and went to work scamming  outsmarting the officials of the city of Paris. This strategy made him a very rich man that allowed him to live his days with his thoughts rather than hard labor; providing him with the opportunity to become one of the most quoted rebellious philosophers in history.

 

Great thread. You are very wise and mostly correct. 

 

[Lepart22]

On 3/15/2022 at 5:09 PM, Coco_Father said:

Ahhh, my good sir. You have forgotten about Voltaire.... In the mid 1700's he used his skills in mathematics along with his persuasive charm and ingenuity to beat the municipal bonds lotteries throughout Paris. Being the socialite that he was, he was able to deduce that the prizes in every district throughout Paris were in most cases more than the amount of all the tickets being sold. So he recruited a team that was his very own Renaissance version of Ocean's Eleven and went to work scamming  outsmarting the officials of the city of Paris. This strategy made him a very rich man that allowed him to live his days with his thoughts rather than hard labor; providing him with the opportunity to become one of the most quoted rebellious philosophers in history.

 

Great thread. You are very wise and mostly correct. 

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[New_York_Spark]

Dear BC game pop,

Oh how I have to disagree with your basic explanation of BC games alleged 1% chance over the players. I credit you the fact you do go on to explain how the house already has an inherent advantage over us suckers, I mean gamblers players shills, marks, victims whatever. You'll no doubt check out my profile and you'll probably notice that I'm a low level player that wasn't always so and feel free to check this for accuracy everything I say is true , more true to the fact ,everything I say I think is true there's no deception there's no embellishment if I say what happened that's exactly what happened as I saw it with my own two eyes. Now that we've gotten that out of the way I used to be a high level player I used to spend lots of money at BC game until I noticed that the volatility of games was in direct correlation with the amount bet my ability to win at any game in BC game was almost non-existent. Let's take a look at the first part that I stated  shall we? If a regular casino keeps the odds of a game of chance (and the houses inherent advantage over the player is a big advantage to begin with, then what you explained was that's not enough for BC game there's an extra 1% chance on top of the 11% chance in blackjack the my God the 30% chance in Keno and I'm being generous why does he need that extra chance because it's in the business to make money .I don't even want to mention plinko but I will. I myself am a plinko player I understand the seed you choose to make a right turn or a left turn and it picks a number and then number is put in a formula in that formula determines the outcome of where the ball lands okay I concede that fact, however as it happened to me when I did hit the thousand to one with $8 on it mysteriously there was no thousand and one payout, it's like it never happened as I watched it happen cuz I was screaming at the screen because I thought I just won a lot of money I brought it to the admins attention ," we will check it out". wasn't that important then when I noticed the computer wasn't counting correctly when I did have wins it was skipping some of them not adding them to my balance again I'm going to tell you I don't lie I don't need your money but I don't like being taken now I can't prove what was done because all my data mysteriously disappeared on a couple days following ,maybe I complain too much but pretty much so would anybody if they were  just taken to the cleaners I used to bet large sums  of money and never did I ever hit big  money. I believe Keno is actively aggressive towards aggressive players high limit players. It's true there's a formula that you can put a number into and it will come back with the correct number for that algorithm however if the Master algorithm is let's say tweaked the person creating that algorithm can get the results they want again I'm not accusing but I know what I saw and that's not the only time it happened it seemed that the machines glitched whenever I bet high amounts or whenever I was set to win something large something always happened to inhibit that outcome. I see what's posted on your winners boards I would believe it better if I saw a third party unbiased non-connected  non-influenced finance report to back up that fact too many bots too many non-entities I stay for the people I like the people here check it out ask around see if it's happened to more people I bet you get an answer you didn't like again father Coco I think your bent and I highly doubt you have the authority to truly investigate what I'm saying I imagine only the very highest up in your organization would know what was going on but this is just supposition if I'm banned for it so be it I know where Curacao is , I would just go see the man himself. Thank you for your time thank you for taking my money no biggie, but don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining ,I really do believe that you believe what you're saying is true even a broken clock is right twice a day with kindest regards New York spark.

[Yellowledbetter]

There only one thing that confuses the heck out of me.   It's that ppl who actually know for a fact that bcgame is misleading the masses with smoke and mirrors.  Are actually here at all.   I swear everyday I bare witness to some poor guy or gal who has all this information bc the proof is in the plying. And they screen recorded the last 1000 hours, I just don't get that.  When someone writes  a remarkable article about the probability of you walking away with the loot or not.  It's a scheem.  If this establishment is all these things what are these ppl sticking around for.   I know one thing. If I buy a Ford off the lot brand new and it dont start up on the next ride.  I'm buying a Chevy.   If you hang out at the barbra shop I bet eventually your gonna get a hair cut.   That being said this is a casino and the house always wins. I'm 0n a loosing streak right now and it's been weeks with no end in sight. But at the end of the day I come for the international entertainment bc thats what we come for right.   For the excitement..   I bet the high you get from losing 1000$ is a lot higher then the one you get from winning that.  Actually I know this is true from experience..   it might not be what u want.  But it hurts so good right.    Anyways.  ThankS for writing this.    Really set the mindframe back into where it needs to be to win.   I was seriously starting to wonder when the vibrations were gonna be coming my way again. And I feel better about the last few weeks now and the Debbie the downer I was becoming.   The wins are gonna roll my way soon I just know it.  My strategy for winning is simple.    Rule 1 never play with money that u don't have and 2. It's about having fun not making a check.  Good vibes out hood vibes in.  I said it many times.  I never saw someone winning who was angry or bitter, I my experience I always had a side on my face. And the money I play with is already gone mentally bf I even hit the ground in the casino.     And if anyone wants proof of legitness.  I'll send u my withdrawal pages.  And I've had them back to back. To back.  I've even been flagged while withdrawaling bc I u did 3 withdrawals in one day.  

[CRITICBASSMUSIK]

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[Vishaloz]

On 3/18/2022 at 5:12 AM, BCGame_POP said:

Providers offer 2-3 variations of RTP. And, the RTP has to be set by the Casino. Usually 96(plus minus) is the industry standard RTP. However, Casino can change this if they want to, but it will be displayed on the slot game, it's not something hidden. 

While we were new to slots on BC ame, we introduced No-Limit City slots, however our Dev accidentally set RTP to 93% instead of 96%, it was clearly visible to everyone, I immediately informed the team and they changed it to industry standard.

So, the answer is - YES, the casino can change the RTP but it's not something that's hidden from players. We at Bc Game set highest RTP in the industry for all providers. Also, we do not change it frequently, the casino makes pretty good profit on 96 itself, so there is no point in messing around with players and losing credibility.

 

 

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